GatesPlusPlus 05:06, (UTC) I've started a thread on this issue on the BBS of the official website. Frecklefoot | Talk 19:38, (UTC) " GameSpot states that the release date was 14 September, 2004" So do Gamespy and IGN. I'll rework the wording to reflect the real-world occurances. It's a possibility that the store you visited received their shipment before the 17th and just put the boxes out (this happens a lot) even though they weren't supposed to start selling them until the 17th. But I do know that their website said September 17th. I don't know why EA would release it earlier in Canada than in the US. I believe many other retail outlets were also selling Sims2 that evening, and almost everywhere would have been selling it on September 15th. I had preordered my copy but my understanding is that they were selling to anyone on that day. I am just writing to note that I picked up Sims2 from EB Games in Edmonton, Canada on September 14th in the evening. Guest I am an independent third party who also does not have an account here. I think the official Maxis website is a pretty reliable source for their own product. :-) - Frecklefoot | Talk 14:46, (UTC) Though a somewhat respectible website, sometimes journalists don't do their jobs (like checking facts). However, up until the release of the game, it loudly proclaimed "Coming September 17th!" As for this issue, I don't really care what GameSpot says. The information is not there any longer since the game is out. I got the information of September 17th directly from the The Sims 2 website. It looked like you just changed some information and hid behind an anonymous IP address. That's why I thought your edits looked like vandalism. However, many Wikipedians look at edits made by anonymous users suspiciously (me included). I see you still haven't created an account. "Incorrect edits": adding information which is not correct. Secondly, what is all this about incorrect edits? If you think that the day when people who have pre-ordered a product receive the product (without any delays) is not necessarily its release date in their region, you may not be following standards. Peace. :-) - Frecklefoot | Talk 15:21, (UTC) GameSpot states that the release date was 14 September, 2004 and I know of some people who claim that they got it before the 17th. Creating an account provides more privacy, not less. Until then, your continued incorrect edits look like vandalism. Edits made by logged-in users are taken much more seriously than those made by anonymous users. Second, if you want your edits to be taken seriously, create an account. I don't know about the release dates in other countries, but I doubt they preceded the US release date. Some places let you pre-order it, but it wasn't officially available until the 17th. That's because it wasn't released on 15 September in the United States. Guest First off, 61.246.52.17, I'm the one who keeps changing it. Whenever I make that modification, somebody changes the release date to 17 September, 2004. The Sims 2 was released on 14 September, 2004 in the USA, on 17 September, 2004 in Europe and on 21 September, 2004 in Asia. Also, in order to accomplish the "eat grilled cheese" goal, they have to finish the whole sandwich in one sitting. The wants are usually worth just a small abmount of points, or require complex steps. One of my main sims is a Grilled Cheese sim, and its not always an easy aspiration to play. It's an aspiration reward and if you use it below gold aspiration, there's a chance it will fry your sim's brain and will make your sim a Grilled Cheese sim. :) :: DarkLordSeth 01:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC) I have got to try that! - Quantum Burrito 01:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC) I have seen the seventh in nightlife, but I haven't seen the eighth is this a hidden aspiration, or subtle vandalism? - Quantum Burrito 01:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC) It's real it's hidden in the aspiration-change thingamajig in the Nightlife expansion pack. "seventh and an eighth aspiration, the Pleasure and Grilled Cheese aspirations" Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.94.191 ( talk I'm going to remove the third paragraph for now. The "Controversy" section of this article is very POV, specifically the third paragraph. 23 Recent attempts to create fake EP entries.7 Moving the "Bugs" section to a separate article.